The United States Chart(July 4,1776)

The United States
July 4, 1776
4:47 pm
Philadelphia, PA
By Barry Lynes
Philadelphia Pennsylvania
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Admittedly, there’s no official recorded time for America’s birth…but if anyone has access to some old letters or diary…but the growing consensus is that America was born sometime in the later afternoon of the Fourth. It makes more sense than the 2 am time that used to be bandied about. Defenders of the Gemini rising chart apparently used aspects from eclipses to justify this.

In a world with no street lights, why have an obvious meeting in the middle of the night? Hiding in plain sight was/is better. People were used to meetings during the day, no one would pay particular notice. Also, if troops were approaching Philadelphia, then they would be noticed and the alarm would go up in enough time to scatter. No sneaking around and then lying in wait for the delegates to emerge from the meeting. True, probably only the people there knew how far the delegates were willing to go, but better safe than sorry.

The Final Push. While the vote was taken on the 2nd, there was a delay over the wording and the announcement. (Mercury retro)

More than likely the 2 am chart hints at a smaller private meeting in someone’s hotel room, where Jefferson and a few other people went over the wording of the Declaration and agreed in principle to what was said, subject to the going over by the rest of the group later that day. If it was final, there would have been no 11am approval, for there would have been no meeting to approve the wording. But an 11 am approval would have put the Sun in the Tenth. Remember that George Washington’s foreign policy was the the United States stay out of the rivalries of the world. No Sun in the Tenth would have been able to do that. But an Eighth House Sun can lie back, make money and allies, but avoid the kind of attention from massive armies.

But approval in a meeting doesn’t make the decision really final. After all, they could have approved this, and then decided to table the decision for another day. Which is what they did on the 2nd-agree on independence, but work on the wording. Which is what they could do because since it was unannounced. Nobody knew outside the meeting, so there was no debate on what the Declaration meant.

So, it was reversible-and delay able. And the date itself was subject to Jefferson’s diligence and the approval of the meeting.

Until it was released to the world, people were free to deny their decisions and even change their mind.

I believe the 11 am was followed by an adjournment for lunch. Then after a few more probably trivial details, at quarter of 5, there was a final oral confirmatory vote-a “gut check vote” where the signers and witnesses said their peace and made their peace with the soon to be irreversible effects of making a public stand for independence. The 5:10 Sibley was probably a formal adjournment-people walking out of the hall to face the music.

As long as it was unsigned and unannounced…but once it was announced they knew that no matter what the intended audience was-this astrologer said it was France-it was out in the world for the King, his soldiers, and everyone else.

Every man knew that by signing such a document he could be charged with at least sedition if not treason. And one thing about rebellion and revolution: the rule is win or die.

People die around significant dates in their lives, either personal or professional-so what do you make about the transitions on 7/4/1826 except that they knew their work was done and it was time to let America grow on its own.

Something else to consider too: once the revolution was won, if there was confusion about the Anniversary, the founders would have designated another date-but not even President John Adams, who originally said it would be the 2nd, moved to change the date.

Remember this is a nation that has turned several holidays into 3-day weekends just for the convenience of the travel industry. Lincoln and Washington’s Birthdays have been merged into President’s Day, for example. Changing the date of a holiday that was not very old would not have been a problem for anyone.

Others say that the dimming memories of those asked decades after the events shows that that wasn’t really the date. Never mind that some people probably preferred to remember the victory instead of the peril. Others may not have been there but signed later.

Sometimes I think some astrologers are uncomfortable with the Sagittarius rising chart is that it seems so-crude. America, the mercantile, bombastic? Why not a refined Gemini Rising chart of wit and modesty? But such a chart would never have survived-it would have become the pawn of European powers. For instead of becoming the United States, it would have been 13 separate nations to be swallowed up eventually. Gemini is small. People in large houses living in small nations-and with Saturn in the Fourth-modestly living behind the Appalachian mountains in already allocated land. It took pushy Sagittarius to go beyond and settle Native American land, to buy land from France, to fight Spain and later Mexico and Canada for even more land and space. Saturn ruling the Second imposed enough control to make these lands valuable.

Remember a nation’s Ascendant controls how a nation looks like to the rest of the world, like it controls a person’s outer appearance. Sagittarius rising: Athletic, lots a bling, hearty approach. Too restless to be confined. We like big, bold, broad. It’s an empty house, so no one power can impose a look or a singular point of entry. The Cancer cluster in the First (2 am chart) would have imposed an “American” look on everyone.

Why did I choose this chart? By simply interpreting it and realizing that everyday life would have made the other ones impossible.

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